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"I think we had a hard-fought campaign and we need to accept the results and say let's move forward," said Rep. Jason Lorber, of the 50 Percent Matters campaign .
Here's the turnout by ward for 2005:
Mar 2, 2010 IRV REPEALED because democracy matters in Burlington VT! Twitter: #btvirv Facebook: Repeal IRV
Burlington elected the wrong candidate.
Article in the Christian Science Monitor:
Why do you say that IRV nevertheless elected the “wrong” candidate?
In a head-to-head race, the votes suggest that the Democrat would have beaten the Progressive by a margin of 46% to 39%. Subject to the same caveat that voter and candidate behavior might have been different, the votes thus suggest that voters preferred the Democrat to both the Progressive and the Republican. Yet the Democrat finished third in the IRV results.
Computer Voting Machines VS Hand Count
The questions of whether hand count should rely on re-tabulation by machine, and whether computer security is adequate for voting (good enough for banking, why not voting?) have been discussed in Burlington lately.
Recount of primary democrat gubernatorial election allowed machine retab, apparently because time was of essence and Racine was looking for big clerical errors and overlooked ballots, not scattered ballots misread by the machines. However, hand recount is a superior system for many reasons, and if you can't hand count with original ballots, you can't recount reliably.
This leads to the issue of voting online. We transact personal business online with more and more confidence, and some think if we can bank online securely, we should be able to vote online as well. Actually the principle is the same, with opposite import: banks control transactions, cities/towns control voting.
Banks can track transaction to source, then confirm, and reverse transaction if necessary; ballots are anonymous. Tallies at polls prevent ballot bag stuffing in City Hall after hours, which is a major reason why IRV created distrust and was finally abandoned. Ballot bags from one city ward were opened several times, after hours, in city hall with no panel of observers present.
Another City skeptical of IRV
The Rules and Open Gov. Committee of San Jose City Council voted unanimously to put off any more discussion of IRV/RCV until Q1 2011 when a report from the City Clerk can be made on Costs and recent results from the elections in Nov.
Fact check on pro-IRV testimony: http://tinyurl.com/IRVSJRules .
This YouTube video is hilarious. The President of Californians for Proportional Representation actually testifies that the city needs IRV because campaigns are so hard on candidates.
Independent IRV Fact-Check Website
Like most of the hype around IRV, FairVote's so-called FACTS are promotional advertising. IRV's fast food run-off vote and it's reconstituted majority might as well be called "The McVote."
If you wanted the facts about the nutritional value of fast food, would go to the corporate website, or to an independent research lab?
FairVote's paid mission is to promote IRV. In contrast, the IRV Fact Check Fact Check Blog is an un-funded effort by election transparency expert Joyce McCloy and other researchers who for many years have cataloged reports, studies and news articles about instant runoff voting and its unintended consequences at http://www.instantrunoffvoting.us/
Nothing is more critical to democracy than a free, honest and verifiable voting system.
NC being sold a pig in a poke
Several people commenting on an article about IRV in an NC newspaper know quite a bit about Burlington VT. They throw around names like Kurt Wright, Vince Dober and Ward 7 runoff election with obvious familiarity. Check it out... http://wake.mync.com/site/wake/news/story/51610/
San Francisco voters challenge IRV
San Francisco voters challenge IRV, claiming they have a right to vote in all rounds after their first choice candidate is eliminated. Judge inclined to rule quickly so both sides can move forward with appeals. Basically, people who vote want to vote in every round, and think over each choice anew in subsequent rounds.
http://tiny.cc/irvsf
http://tiny.cc/irvsf
NEVIS: North End Voters InSpired
April 17, 10am, Miller Center.
Ward 4 and 7: Voters, Ward Clerks, election officials, candidates, ward caucus party leadership, and NPA steering committee members gather to discuss ways to inSpire voter turnout in the North End.
In spite of praise from the mayor (ahem!) for our strong voter turnout, for us it was low and there were many voter information and polling location problems that could have suppressed the vote. People at the polls in Ward 7 reported cars turning away when they saw the confusion and congestion at the narrow entrance to the Miller Center. Councilor Dober did a survey of Ward 7 voters, and 85% of respondents rejected the Miller Ctr as a polling place. In Ward 4, lack of signage and false report of moving the polling place similarly could have suppressed the vote in that ward.
Interested parties gather to review the snags, and plan ways to welcome and inspire voters in future elections. A task force will work on this between now and the next election.
Notes posted here.
Ward 4 and 7: Voters, Ward Clerks, election officials, candidates, ward caucus party leadership, and NPA steering committee members gather to discuss ways to inSpire voter turnout in the North End.
In spite of praise from the mayor (ahem!) for our strong voter turnout, for us it was low and there were many voter information and polling location problems that could have suppressed the vote. People at the polls in Ward 7 reported cars turning away when they saw the confusion and congestion at the narrow entrance to the Miller Center. Councilor Dober did a survey of Ward 7 voters, and 85% of respondents rejected the Miller Ctr as a polling place. In Ward 4, lack of signage and false report of moving the polling place similarly could have suppressed the vote in that ward.
Interested parties gather to review the snags, and plan ways to welcome and inspire voters in future elections. A task force will work on this between now and the next election.
Notes posted here.
IRV debunked
As shown in [the 2009 Burlington mayoral] election, IRV does not "solve the spoiler problem," does not "allow voters to vote their true preference without fear of inadvertently electing a candidate they cannot stand," and it does not elect candidates "actually preferred by a majority."
These and other pathologies are not rare. IRV in this election did not serve as a "bulwark of democracy" – rather the opposite.
We shall show by considering Burlingon's 2009 mayoral election that all the claims by Bouricius and FairVote are false.
http://rangevoting.org/Burlington.html
"I think we had a hard-fought campaign and we need to accept the results and say let's move forward," said Rep. Jason Lorber, of the 50 Percent Matters campaign .
2005/2010 Voter disapproval of IRV increased in every ward in the city.
Ward 1
2005: 180 votes NO IRV
2010: 264 votes for REPEAL
% increase = 47%
Ward 2
2005: 150 NO
2010: 185 REPEAL
% increase = 24%
Ward 3
2005: 210 NO
2010: 292 REPEAL
% increase = 39%
Ward 4
2005: 721 NO
2010: 1203 REPEAL
% increase = 67%
Ward 5
2005: 395 NO
2010: 545 REPEAL
% increase = 38%
Ward 6
2005: 329 NO
2010: 477 REPEAL
% increase = 45%
Ward 7
2005: 630 NO
2010: 1006 REPEAL
% increase = 60%
2005: 180 votes NO IRV
2010: 264 votes for REPEAL
% increase = 47%
Ward 2
2005: 150 NO
2010: 185 REPEAL
% increase = 24%
Ward 3
2005: 210 NO
2010: 292 REPEAL
% increase = 39%
Ward 4
2005: 721 NO
2010: 1203 REPEAL
% increase = 67%
Ward 5
2005: 395 NO
2010: 545 REPEAL
% increase = 38%
Ward 6
2005: 329 NO
2010: 477 REPEAL
% increase = 45%
Ward 7
2005: 630 NO
2010: 1006 REPEAL
% increase = 60%
And 2010:
http://www.ci.burlington.vt.us/ct/elections/results/20100302/
More people voted in 2010, same voter distribution across the wards!
2005 -- 7,550, 42% of the total vote was in Wards 4&7, 58% in other wards.
2010 -- 7.695, exactly the same distribution, 42% in wards 4&7.
More people voted in 2010, same voter distribution across the wards!
2005 -- 7,550, 42% of the total vote was in Wards 4&7, 58% in other wards.
2010 -- 7.695, exactly the same distribution, 42% in wards 4&7.
TRACK H.773, Repeal IRV
The Vermont Legislative Bill Tracking System
Read the bill, follow schedule of public hearings.
For more information: Rep.Kurt Wright, mailto:kwright@leg.state.vt.us.
Read the bill, follow schedule of public hearings.
For more information: Rep.Kurt Wright, mailto:kwright@leg.state.vt.us.
Legislators Sponsor H.773 to Repeal IRV
| Wright, Kurt |
| Aswad, William |
| Atkins, Kenneth |
| Bissonnette, Clement |
| Donovan, Johannah |
| Larson, Mark |
| Lorber, Jason |
| Ram, Kesha |
| Weston, Rachel |
| Wizowaty, Susan |
| Zuckerman, David |
Mar 11, 2010 Original certified IRV Repeal docs delivered by overnight Fed-Ex to State Archivist.
Repeal IRV RRT is watching very closely. Chittenden County Reps asked to sponsor the Charter Change bill that will repeal IRV. Expect that all will sponsor since they customarily respect the will of the people.
H.0773 An act relating to approval of amendments to the charter of the city of Burlington
H.0773 An act relating to approval of amendments to the charter of the city of Burlington
The next step -- charter change goes to the legislature for approval
IRV REALITY BITES
Realities Mar Instant Runoff Voting
http://electionmathematics.org/ucvAnalysis/US/RCV-IRV/InstantRunoffVotingFlaws.pdf
Checking election outcome accuracy
http://electionmathematics.org/em-audits/US/PEAuditSamplingMethods.pdf
http://electionmathematics.
Checking election outcome accuracy
http://electionmathematics.
Burlington IRV on YouTube
Here's how the IRV vote broke down by ward
Ward 1: 405 keep, 264 repeal
Ward 2: 428 keep, 185 repeal
Ward 3: 510 keep, 292 repeal
Ward 4: 1203 repeal, 606 keep
Ward 5: 793 keep, 545 repeal
Ward 6: 490 keep, 477 repeal
Ward 7: 1006 repeal, 437 keep
Listen to real Burlingtonians, from all wards!
Burlington Voters Speak out about Instant Runoff Voting
after election
Instant Runoff Voting Interviews - after debate
after election
Instant Runoff Voting Interviews - after debate
Follow Twitter #btvirv and facebook Repeal IRV
TWITTER:
Lea44 @BradleyHolt Try the adult version of IRV video @ http://tr.im/P7vm City mayoral election instead of jellybeans and skim milk #btvirv #btv
thicker Saw about 200 anti-IRV signs today - 2 pro-IRV #btvirv
Lea44 @joshsled #btvirv runoff NOT the same as real runoff where voters re-evaluate top candidates' qualifications, weigh pros/cons & new info.
FACEBOOK: Repeal IRV
Lea44 @BradleyHolt Try the adult version of IRV video @ http://tr.im/P7vm City mayoral election instead of jellybeans and skim milk #btvirv #btv
thicker Saw about 200 anti-IRV signs today - 2 pro-IRV #btvirv
Lea44 @joshsled #btvirv runoff NOT the same as real runoff where voters re-evaluate top candidates' qualifications, weigh pros/cons & new info.
FACEBOOK: Repeal IRV
2006 Exit Poll -- Perverse Outcomes and Elitism
Exit Poll data and analysis identifies perverse outcome and elitism. For those who are intrigued by, or concerned about, these issues, here is the data and the report. Ideologues will dismiss it, but for people who want to make up their own mind, here's the link:
Note: In the 2009 election, voter participation dropped another 10% (from 37% to 27%).
Ask yourself, why is IRV more popular with politicians than with voters? Perhaps because it sidelines minor candidates, lets people vote for them in a meaningless way, and then major candidates capture 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc place votes to create a false IRV majority that they can call a mandate.
Note: In the 2009 election, voter participation dropped another 10% (from 37% to 27%).
Ask yourself, why is IRV more popular with politicians than with voters? Perhaps because it sidelines minor candidates, lets people vote for them in a meaningless way, and then major candidates capture 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc place votes to create a false IRV majority that they can call a mandate.
Featured video:
Burlington Voter #'s decline after IRV experiment begins
BURLINGTON ELECTION TOTALS
Elections highlighted in red are similar. IRV election years shows clear decline in voter participation.
~1993: 10269, BROWNELL WINS
~1995: 11756, CLAVELLE WINS
~1997: 5518, CLAVELLE WINS, NO MAJOR CANDIDATE
~1999: 9941, CLAVELLE WINS
~2001: 6208, POOR WEATHER 26” SNOW
~2003: 5959, CLAVELLE WINS, NO MAJOR CANDIDATE
~2006: 9865, IRV 37% OF REGISTERED VOTERS
~2009: 9013, IRV 27% OF REGISTERED VOTERS
Vote March 2, YES on #5 to Repeal IRV
Tues, Feb 23 - Vandals trashed a lot of signs on North Ave last night.
Wed, Feb 24 - Signs will be battered by snow and plowing if not pulled until after the storm.
Signs are the good spirit of election season, bringing color and energy to end-of-winter landscape. Celebrate democracy!
Wed, Feb 24 - Signs will be battered by snow and plowing if not pulled until after the storm.
Signs are the good spirit of election season, bringing color and energy to end-of-winter landscape. Celebrate democracy!
4 comments:
It appeals to emotion (fear) without in any way supporting its premise. It's really returning to the old law that is the Kool-Aid against fairly giving government rule to the majority.
The Rush Limbaugh tactic. Accuse one's opponents of precisely the infraction one is guilty of.
I doubt any readers are losing any sleep over that sign. It may hopefully get people to think.
What truly IS Rush Limbaugh-like is to use talking points with no facts behind them. Many of the IRV talking points have been disproven with studies of IRV elections in the US and in other countries.
But people who are critical of the IRV talking points often have to deal with personal attacks.
A good example of how pro IRV advocate resorted to their own version of "negative campaigning" for IRV happened early on in San Francisco to Professor David Lee who is head of the Chinese American Voter Education Committee.
See: Smearing for IRV
July 18, 2003
...IRV supporters are conducting a nasty campaign to smear the Chinese American Voters Education Committee, a group concerned about IRV’s potential to confuse and disenfranchise more than 15,000 voters who use Chinese-language ballots.
http://www.asianweek.com/2003/07/18/smearing-for-irv/
Now thats fear when someone threatens you with character assassination and also puts a decent voter education organization in jeopardy.
There's an article now over at New America Foundation with an innuendo laden title "Is Big Money behind SF Lawsuit?" which is intended to attack the character of the San Francisco citizens and former candidate who are trying to stop SF's rank only 3 type IRV. The group argues that voters should be allowed to rank all candidates in a contest. In fact, if voters did rank all choices, then IRV might actually provide a majority winner.
But speaking of pouring huge money into an agenda - tons of money is being spent on promoting IRV to communities. See this article for more info
http://instantrunoff.blogspot.com/2009/09/dollars-spent-on-direct-lobbying-for.html
well, i don't wanna get distracted with the SF thing. not yet.
What, about the Burlington IRV "talking points with no facts behind them. Many of the IRV talking points have been disproven with studies of IRV elections in the US and in other countries."
Joyce, i would like you to be specific about what talking point is used and who has disproven it. Tony Gierzynski is okay, i'm happy to debate stuff you might cite from him. in fact, i agree with some specific conclusions he makes.
but returning to the old system helps no one, except Republican mayoral candidates and their supporters (at the expense of the majority).
"What truly IS Rush Limbaugh-like is to use talking points with no facts behind them."
You mean like the proponents of the repeal of IRV in Burlington are doing?? Please...give us all a break carpet-bagger...
"But people who are critical of the IRV talking points often have to deal with personal attacks"
...because, unfortunately, their "arguments" are just plain silly & have been debunked well over a year ago now.
"See: Smearing for IRV
July 18, 2003"
This is old news, and no one is going to give a damn about it in VT. San Francisco is *not* Burlington. BTW, why should voters be using "Chinese-language ballots" in this first place?
"But speaking of pouring huge money into an agenda"
...yea, and by "huge" you apparently mean a little over $100K *nationwide*. Yea, that sounds really "huge" to me...not...
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"Joyce, i would like you to be specific about what talking point is used and who has disproven it."
She doesn't *have* any specifics...just vague & incorrect assertions, period. She's just a an anti-IRV clone.
"Tony Gierzynski is okay"
...if one doesn't spend more than a few minutes thinking about the nonsense that he writes that is.
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